tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post8652128258638881734..comments2023-08-12T17:27:01.102+02:00Comments on The Pink Pigtail Inn: Wanted: better incentives for endgame questingLarísahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05769822260333419777noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-43718748671638428282009-05-29T20:50:49.655+02:002009-05-29T20:50:49.655+02:00I should mention, however, that I'm lucky enough t...I should mention, however, that I'm lucky enough that the members of my tiny guild all play both Alliance and Horde characters, to the point that we created sister guilds. So switching factions for me never means playing away from my friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-12554985534488109482009-05-29T20:44:37.845+02:002009-05-29T20:44:37.845+02:00Dailies only last about 4 repetitions for me befor...Dailies only last about 4 repetitions for me before they get old. To heck with the rep rewards, I won't spend my free time in Bill Murray's Groundhog Day.<br /><br />Rolling a DK in the opposite faction (on a PvE server) was a game-refreshing move for me. You get to see Blizzard's beautifully hand-crafted world from a fresh perspective, without the inconvenience of not knowing where everything is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-7851099278132698342009-05-29T09:32:55.506+02:002009-05-29T09:32:55.506+02:00Larísa, I love your idea of having a "moment of lo...Larísa, I love your idea of having a "moment of lottery" added to completing a quest once you're 80. In fact, I'd like to see it applied to any quest, even if it's not in Northrend. Even if it was extremely rare, the possibility of something new would add a little interest to quest completion.<br /><br />Unfinished (non-daily) quests could share a rare-item loot table with a very low award rate. The "winnings" could even be delivered in the in-game mail system. It could be sweepstakes-like, where every quest completed after 80 gives you another low chance to win.Atrishttp://defeatdragons.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-88026951477141089412009-05-28T08:32:45.882+02:002009-05-28T08:32:45.882+02:00@Hatch... hm... I'm thinking about it again. Green...@Hatch... hm... I'm thinking about it again. Green Armadillo had a valid point that it could be problematic if people ran out of quests before winning in the lotery. However: you could make the RNG rewards the same that you can get from the dailies. You could get the bear not only from the blue-village daily, but from normal quests in Stormpeak... And if you run out of q, you have still the daily q option.<br /><br />@Dorgol: but the daily q:s are solo q:s as well. Can't quite understand why they have to be so much better rewardwise than normal q:s. To have as a daily to make five normal q:s is a very good idea.<br /><br />@Fitz: yeah, that achievement isn't the one I'm most proud of. And one thing more: I wonder when the count started. Before or after the arrival of achievements? Are all those dailies I did in BE, Nagrand and otherwise included? If not, it's REALLY sad.Larísanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-53996639841213998932009-05-27T20:07:06.590+02:002009-05-27T20:07:06.590+02:00Here we stand on another brilliant discovery in th...Here we stand on another brilliant discovery in this blog, but yet this one leads us to a sad conclusion. Are we all just robotically "enjoying" this game at end level? <br /><br />I do love Dorgol/Copernicus's ideas about having a daily quest that sends you to finish up some no-daily quests around the world. I want Loremaster but I'm not very motivated. At the same time, I'm like Russell Abbott in that I'm only working on my third faction of valiant quests now. I just cannot do the same thing over and over every day. At least the cooking and fishing ones change a little bit, but even those can get stale. <br /><br />Funny note: when anyone in our guild gets a questing achievement such as do 500 daily quests, one of our core members does not "gratz" them. He offers condolences. Which makes sense after you repeat these quests a few times. A visionary in our ranks methinks.Fitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10822446969197409741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-53201917921300545412009-05-27T18:44:53.891+02:002009-05-27T18:44:53.891+02:00@Dorgol: That would be awesome! The quest giver s...@Dorgol: That would be awesome! The quest giver says something like, "I hear John Smith out in Azshara needs a bit of help." And you think to yourself, "I've ran through there a dozen times! How did I miss him?"Copernicusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-8694554014384379232009-05-27T18:30:57.270+02:002009-05-27T18:30:57.270+02:00I think Blizzard is of two minds about quests at t...I think Blizzard is of two minds about quests at the level cap. <br /><br />On the one hand they WANT their players to do the quests. They WANT people read the lore, experience the events, etc.<br /><br />On the other hand, WoW questing is designed to be extremely solo-friendly. Thus Blizzard doesn't want to hand out great gear for solo-work (otherwise people start to avoid group content). <br /><br />The best idea I've seen listed here is the "Do 5 Normal Quests" Daily. Even better if they were to implement some features for the quest giver to direct you to an area with incomplete quests.Dorgolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12936803721440329897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-38712530929223901812009-05-27T18:21:52.123+02:002009-05-27T18:21:52.123+02:00I like the idea Larisa. I too am in the "doing da...I like the idea Larisa. I too am in the "doing dailies because I don't have to think about them" mode. Adding extra motivation to doing the regular quests is a great idea. Even just adding an extra reward bag with a lottery chance at something very cool to just the Icecrown and Storm Peaks quests would be very motivating. I'd even take it further and, now that the Argent Tournament has been out a while, add Champion's Seals as, say 25-50% drops from the bags as well. So you can build toward the vanity rewards while doing some content you haven't seen.Hatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03615033343005638291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-59190953312812548882009-05-27T17:28:20.264+02:002009-05-27T17:28:20.264+02:00@Leah: I’m ashamed about my lore knowledge. I’ve l...@Leah: I’m ashamed about my lore knowledge. I’ve learned some from the novels (kindly sent to me by Ixobelle!), but there’s a lot lacking. As I did a Hodir quest on my alt (I, who had sworn never ever to do another service to them, and here I am!) I noticed Hodir himself standing there. And I thought: hm… how could that be, why is he green and kind here and one of the boss mobs in Ulduar? That’s SO sad. I’ve done the whole quest chain twice, but nothing has stuck in my mind, all I was doing was chasing for completing them. I’m really on the long track.<br /><br />@Green Armadillo: yeah, I guess you’re right. Maybe something else would do though. Getting some seals that could be traded for pets and mounts? Whatever. Something that would give the non repeatable quests a golden edge.<br /><br />@Klepsacovic. You’re wise, putting your finger on something that worries me. I’ll make a post about it. BRB.<br /><br />@HP: Yeah, I guess not playing is an option too.<br /><br />@Pangoria Fallstar: I think the quests in Northrend are really fine, at least compared to the Vanilla WoW zones. I’ve only recently started to do Icecrown properly on my alt (who has an incentive, getting rep), and I’m really amazed at the quality of them.<br /><br />@Gevlon: I wouldn’t expect anything else from you… Still I want to do some sort of questing – as I want to do a little casual PvP and many other things. I want to enjoy several aspects of the game, not just raiding, before I can consider myself done with it.<br /><br />@Daria: getting rep would be another idea. What if I could get rep with Hodir from normal questing instead of dailies? Or maybe that would make the game too easy and casual friendly? I don’t know.<br /><br />@Ruhtra: Well, to be honest some of the old world zones don’t seem too attractive to me… Like Ashenvale… but maybe I’m prejudiced being a gnome born at Eastern Kingdom…<br /><br />@Copernicus: Oh I love that idea. I always thought there should be some kind of achievements rewarding people who’re doing good things for other players.<br /><br />@Anonymous: Yeah, I don’t do all that many dailies either. And I discuss with myself. Do I REALLY need the mount and pet from AT that badly? Maybe I should just be strong and turn my back to it altogether. Switching a lot makes sense. It’s been a while since I did PvP for instance. I suck at it, but it will give variation. Maybe it’s time to go back to AV…<br /><br />@Dorgol: Loremaster, wow! I can’t imagine how I could ever get that, having hundreds and hundreds, well probably thousands of quests left to do. On the other hand I’ve got the “completed 500 daily quests” achievement… I guess it’s all about priorities. I’ve got many fun quests left do do, that’s for sure, if I can only stop doing those dailies.<br /><br />@Russel Abbott: Wow, that sounds fun! A bit more doable with your tank pally than with my squishy fire mage though, I imagine… I’d better find a partner to go with. Because finding random people to group with for those is rather hard.<br /><br />@Highlatancylife: yeah, there’s a lot of things to do, but for some reason many of us are lazy and just stick to the dailies we know how to do. Which is a shame.Larísanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-32018075009615787402009-05-27T17:17:52.138+02:002009-05-27T17:17:52.138+02:00Well I do dailies because I'm still building rep, ...Well I do dailies because I'm still building rep, and gold for my epic flyer. <br /><br />Sometimes thought I just go on a tangent, and start exploring. I find some neat and interesting stuff. <br /><br />My next mission is supposedly there's a cave where Arthas found Frostmourne. I want to see that. <br /><br />There's alot of cool, and interesting stuff in WoW, that if you don't stop and look, you'll never know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-26749460981217607402009-05-27T16:58:10.101+02:002009-05-27T16:58:10.101+02:00I got to exalted with three factions on the argent...I got to exalted with three factions on the argent tournament, and ran out of steam for those dailies. The other day I decided to finally clean out all those group quests in icecrown that have been building up for the last few months...trouble was, everyone has already done them, and I couldn't find a helper. So, I soloed them all, about 20 5-man quests (with the exception of the last two Valhalas quests, where someone was doing them at the same time and I figured what the heck).<br /><br />The rewards were lousy greens and blues, but I gotta say it was a LOT more fun than dailies. Pushing your character to the limit, seeing how many elites my tank pally can handle...it's fun, and why I actually enjoy a bit of farming in the Valley of Lost Heroes (Hobbs style) every once in a while. Killing an elite with 450k health all by yourself is quite a rush.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03810858979281766801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-60390224208156124192009-05-27T16:41:44.100+02:002009-05-27T16:41:44.100+02:00I love questing. I love the stories they tell (eve...I love questing. I love the stories they tell (even if they don't all have a grand finale). That's why I am "Loremaster Iralien".<br /><br />Even still, I understand the boredom factor. Once I completed Loremaster, there was no solo content left in the game (outside of repeatable content).<br /><br />Maybe consider leveling an alt (it's what I do when I have trouble finding a group). Even better if the alt is on the opposing faction.Dorgolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12936803721440329897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-58910584805577600482009-05-27T16:41:03.498+02:002009-05-27T16:41:03.498+02:00How I handle the different aspects of WoW quests.....How I handle the different aspects of WoW quests...<br />I pick one set of dailies where I am looking for a specific rewards. I do those dailies until said rewards is achieved, and I move to the next set. Will it take me longer to get the same material as those who've been doing all those dailies longer? Sure, but with my extra time, I've explored Northrend by doing different zone's quests and kept the game interesting for me.<br />My strategy has been not to involve myself solely in one aspect of the game, but instead, switch it up, and switch it up often.<br />-NightzbaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-3888936724773819892009-05-27T16:30:11.283+02:002009-05-27T16:30:11.283+02:00I love questing, but I don't care so much for dail...I love questing, but I don't care so much for dailies because of that very same repetativeness.<br /><br />I don't do the same ones over and over though. When I got bored with Hodir, I stopped and moved on to others. Now that I've started getting bored with the Argent Tournament, I've went back to Hodir. Two more days and I'll actually be exalted. Heh.<br /><br />It might be interesting to have a daily where you "Help five people acomplish their goals". In other words, do 5 other quests, but I'd make them non-repeatable quests. Little bubbles of goodness as you work towards your Loremaster title. Or, since you can eventually run out of non-repeatable quests, have the reward depend on how many repeatable vs non-repeatable quests you did.Copernicusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-24314189489699893512009-05-27T16:25:50.113+02:002009-05-27T16:25:50.113+02:00I agree with you Larísa. I think they should do so...I agree with you Larísa. I think they should do something similar to what you suggest, but make it even for the old world zones.<br /><br />How many quest lines in Vanilla WoW do people miss out on because they're whole focus is on reaching the level cap. Sure we all want to get there, but why not enjoy the trip?Ruhtrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07826226809918487965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-79242187240458666172009-05-27T15:37:00.900+02:002009-05-27T15:37:00.900+02:00Great post and I think you are on the right track....Great post and I think you are on the right track. It would be cool if you could gain reputation for any faction off regular quests, by directing where you wanted your "experience" to go at level 80.<br />Like most others I stopped questing once I hit 80 as well, I just couldn't see a reason.<br />The endgame can only lead to burnout, rather it is raiding burnout or daily questing burnout. It's exactly why I quit the game, I just wasn't having fun any longer.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08664144020646066122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-12142571582994141902009-05-27T13:17:16.135+02:002009-05-27T13:17:16.135+02:00I never do dailies. Actually I never do anything I...I never do dailies. Actually I never do anything I don't like in the game. I log in, do the AH stuff (that's my blog is about) log out. I log in, get into Ulduar, kill some bosses, say goodbye, log out. That simple.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-77346251083551931632009-05-27T09:56:09.617+02:002009-05-27T09:56:09.617+02:00That sort of burnout is why I don't do dailies exc...That sort of burnout is why I don't do dailies except once a week. I just can't bring myself to do them for more than that.<br /><br />But I also realized something, I get to level cap doing very few quests, and once there I avoid questing. In fact I think questing as it is, is the least fun part of the game. It needs a slight tweak to make it better.<br /><br />Though Northrend questing is better than Vanilla or BC questing, I must say that it's still not at the point I'd like it to be.<br /><br />It's not the incentives that drive me, the current incentives are fine, it's the mechanic of it, the unquest of it all.<br /><br />The best quests I've seen so far were some of the ones in Brun-whatever, and in Icecrown, and DK starting zone.<br /><br />But I think my problem is the individual quests are small little things. After playing EQ2 I really liked how questing was shown there, steps of a larger quest, you didn't finish it until you've actually accomplished something, and not just ran up to some other guy.Pangoria Fallstarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01148359926488188195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-36377781655252512812009-05-27T07:58:13.905+02:002009-05-27T07:58:13.905+02:00I used to log on even on non-raid nights to do dai...I used to log on even on non-raid nights to do dailies or whatever but recently, I've found myself not doing that anymore. I understand how you feel...HPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762532904788031568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-6925344306995683142009-05-27T05:12:54.708+02:002009-05-27T05:12:54.708+02:00Try to find alternative, possibly slower, but more...Try to find alternative, possibly slower, but more intesting sources of income. Back in BC I learned to AoE Stratholme because the cloth sold fairly well and the greens DEed into mats that no one got anymore because they all jumped into Outland.<br /><br />You're rushing, there's your problem. Take your time. Relax. Make a little more than you spend on repairs and you'll be there eventually. Don't focus on the goal and end up with an unfun process, the goal ends up being a relief rather than a reward.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-76353759787986380002009-05-27T02:43:27.300+02:002009-05-27T02:43:27.300+02:00Unique RNG rewards attached to non-repeatable cont...Unique RNG rewards attached to non-repeatable content would be problematic. If you didn't get the mount or whatever you wanted before you ran out of quests, you'll never be able to get it on that character. For those of us who are mainly invested in one character, missing out would be pretty disappointing. <br /><br />I actually make a point of NOT doing all of the possible daily quests available to me to try and cut down on daily quest burnout. I would like to see something like you're describing, but I just don't think that otherwise unattainable RNG rewards are a good idea.Green Armadillohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15564045048380177626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-6338101596218418452009-05-27T01:32:45.786+02:002009-05-27T01:32:45.786+02:00funny thing but I was just thinking about it as I ...funny thing but I was just thinking about it as I finally fished up all the coins out of the fountain. a lot of what we do in a game is so much on autopilot, it makes you wonder why we're even doing it. I haven't touched an argent crusade daily in over a week now. I'm still doing the fishing dailies,but that's because my vanity demands a jeweled fishing pole :P<br /><br />which brings me to your point - I think rewards of the nature you describe would be great. better yet, why not have trivia quests here and there, where you get rewards for uncovering and recognizing pieces of lore? Warcraft universe has some of the best background and stories in a video game market and its so sad that so much of that rich lore passes most players right by..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com