tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post446219106313022119..comments2023-08-12T17:27:01.102+02:00Comments on The Pink Pigtail Inn: Defining 'Fair' in Loot DistrubutionLarísahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05769822260333419777noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-2180432523923038112009-10-12T21:48:21.830+02:002009-10-12T21:48:21.830+02:00I wouldn't have given the remote. No way. I ha...I wouldn't have given the remote. No way. I have seen this drama many times. <br /><br />Unless it has said beforehand not allowing the same person to get more than 1 loot has no sense. It's just variance. You can win 3 consecutives rolls as you can roll less than anyone 3 consecutive times. <br /><br />In the long run everyone will win the same amount of times. Why should be punished the player that has good luck in the short run? <br /><br />Someone that wins 2 consecutive rolls deserves the same than someone who wins 2 rolls in different days.Vedasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661540924393016422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-37430226187716805762009-10-05T22:02:49.250+02:002009-10-05T22:02:49.250+02:00I think the "astromomical odds" comment ...I think the "astromomical odds" comment was a cumulation of:<br /><br />1. Both items dropping<br />2. Same person winning both on a random roll<br />3. The winning roll being the same number<br /><br />Individually none of the events are anything to write about, but in combination its pretty rare...<br /><br />I'm no statistician, but add (or multiply, or whatever you do for stats) to the above that this happened in a PUG with a writer from one of the most popular wow blogs on the internet, AND it caused drama (if it happened in a pug with me for example, i probably wouldnt even notice)<br /><br />Thats a rare event imo !Lerbichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15097372098018118299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-8389145538994513092009-10-03T04:42:55.018+02:002009-10-03T04:42:55.018+02:00The chance of both items dropping is pretty small....The chance of both items dropping is pretty small. The chance of both dropping and being won by the same person is 1/5 of that (item #1 will be won by <i>someone</i>, item #2 has a 1/5 chance of being won by the same person). What I was taking issue with was that it sounded like the OP thought rolling the same number on the virtual d100 twice in a row was pretty much impossible.Staffanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13798451076433253808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-45105602525672125412009-10-03T02:15:49.624+02:002009-10-03T02:15:49.624+02:00@ Steffan
Ok...you tell me...what are the odds BO...@ Steffan<br /><br />Ok...you tell me...what are the odds BOTH items drop at the same time and the same person wins them...its alot higher than you think.<br /><br />Cacknoob (is always right)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-38340245288826830812009-10-03T01:22:13.641+02:002009-10-03T01:22:13.641+02:00Actually, assuming everyone in your group is hones...Actually, assuming everyone in your group is honest and have a summon and such, your odds of getting a mount or a remote would be the same for a full five-man group as for soloing it. That's because while you have to split the loot five ways, you also get five shots at it.<br /><br />Or possibly a little more, since if someone already has a piece of loot, they can't get it again (except for the tankard). So if one of your party members already has the remote, you will have a roughly 5% chance of getting one instead of 4%.<br /><br />But my original post aimed at the specific assertation that the odds of rolling the same number twice in a roll were so large that it implied some kind of shenanigans. Not true, because <i>that</i> still has the 1% chance I posted.Staffanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13798451076433253808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-46670733352233446092009-10-02T22:42:54.202+02:002009-10-02T22:42:54.202+02:00@steffan. The rolls are dependent because the inde...@steffan. The rolls are dependent because the independent variable is the initial drop. If the remote doesn't fall then there is no d100 roll. The probably of getting the remote is not 1/5. It's .04/5 or .008 on each summons. <br /><br />This is why, if you could, it would be better to solo Direbrew because then your odds would be 4%. The *summons* are independent from one another but not the loot. <br /><br />This is also why you see a lot of trashy statistics on the forums. The odds of getting the Rivendare mount are not cumulative because each instance is independent of the other. Or at least that the way I have always understood how Blizzard loot creation works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-59157002624106227422009-10-02T19:44:41.410+02:002009-10-02T19:44:41.410+02:00Dependent? In what way are two d100 rolls dependen...Dependent? In what way are two d100 rolls dependent? OK, I realize there's no such thing as true random numbers in a computer game, but at least in theory they should be considered independent, right?Staffanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13798451076433253808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-87888486462559190762009-10-02T19:22:39.899+02:002009-10-02T19:22:39.899+02:00@steffan. Your calculations are off because you ar...@steffan. Your calculations are off because you are treating each event as an independent event when they are in fact dependent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-56382312165055810282009-10-02T18:05:43.725+02:002009-10-02T18:05:43.725+02:00Oh, loot drama... Great Article! I recently wrote ...Oh, loot drama... Great Article! I recently wrote an article about some of the most known and least known loot systems in the game. While it may not be directly related to the above, it may help quell some of the loot drama in your guilds... feel free to check it out!<br /><br />http://www.reallifegamer.com/2009/08/what-loot-system-is-best-for-me-how-to.htmlAbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04988029091166941957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-37122351239565664522009-10-02T15:41:26.584+02:002009-10-02T15:41:26.584+02:00@ Larisa
Dont let this little blip lull you into ...@ Larisa<br /><br />Dont let this little blip lull you into a false sense of security....I AM evil and a b*****d, but i know when to be fair, unlike some of these ppl who have replied.<br /><br />CacknoobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-45350838095505957052009-10-02T15:37:05.794+02:002009-10-02T15:37:05.794+02:00Fair is foul and foul is fair. Hover through the f...Fair is foul and foul is fair. Hover through the fog and filthy air.<br />(William)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-33086383354330474362009-10-02T15:28:45.478+02:002009-10-02T15:28:45.478+02:00@Cack: I can't help giggling a little. At the ...@Cack: I can't help giggling a little. At the Stormrage server I don't think you've got a reputation for being kind, considerate social and generous. I've always known that you are deep inside, and your comments here prove me right. As a matter of fact Larísa is probably less kind than Cacknoob.<br /><br />Cheers (and don't forget to pop by the ally side once in a while. Your voice is a bit annoying sometimes but we sort of miss you.)Larísahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05769822260333419777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-42637066500493257592009-10-02T15:17:56.310+02:002009-10-02T15:17:56.310+02:00@ Steffan So whats the percentage of the Ram and ...@ Steffan So whats the percentage of the Ram and the Transporter dropping and the same person winning them both..... thats what i was getting at<br /><br />@ Pangora so you dont see being on alliance as a Team then? thats interesting....<br /><br /><br />Clearly this brief showing of hands by ppl means im in the minority....im someone who doesnt actually care if i get items or not....I think more of the social side of things....whereas you lot think of the Phat epix i can get....<br /><br />and ppl call me immature....<br /><br /><br />CacknoobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-82755460110441286062009-10-02T14:13:00.867+02:002009-10-02T14:13:00.867+02:00on 25 man pugs, our organiser usually says "o...on 25 man pugs, our organiser usually says "one roll per boss on gear, and 1 tier piece per run"<br /><br />Anything less than 25, and anything goes (main spec before offspec of course)<br /><br />I think in the absence of pre-established loot rules, the winner of both rolls should have been allowed to keep the items, or do with the second item as they saw fit.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416653512718900972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-73315905617982345912009-10-02T12:09:52.610+02:002009-10-02T12:09:52.610+02:00@cacknoob,
Saying, it's just pixels, or just ...@cacknoob,<br /><br />Saying, it's just pixels, or just vanity is a BS social response to someone saying they refuse to share after they won.<br /><br />These are strangers, and therefore they are part of ANOTHER team. Only in a guild would you share, since they are on your team.Pangoria Fallstarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01148359926488188195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-52868751530779670802009-10-02T12:09:17.711+02:002009-10-02T12:09:17.711+02:00The probability of rolling the same number on a d1...The probability of rolling the same number on a d100 twice in a row are nowhere near astronomical. It's 1 in 100. The probability of rolling <b>something</b> on the first roll is 100%, and the probability of rolling the same on the next is 1%. It's not exactly likely, but given the amount of rolling that goes on in WoW it's going to happen.<br /><br />The chance of winning two out of two items isn't exactly astronomical either. Assuming everyone is rolling, your chance of winning any one item is 1 in 5. Your chance of winning two in a row is 1 in 5 squared, or 1 in 25.Staffanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13798451076433253808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-53898816802729997572009-10-02T12:07:36.359+02:002009-10-02T12:07:36.359+02:00I asked my wife this question, she said if asked t...I asked my wife this question, she said if asked to share, she'd simply hearth.<br /><br />Exception would be if she had been doing it with friends, but a bunch of strangers telling her to share loot she won based on rules set up before hand? Hearth.Pangoria Fallstarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01148359926488188195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-85645789126411714842009-10-02T11:00:55.413+02:002009-10-02T11:00:55.413+02:00@Cacknoob: I think that a PUG for the Brewfest bos...@Cacknoob: I think that a PUG for the Brewfest boss is too short for a team spirit to be created. I doubt that anyone would have hesitated about sharing the loot generously if it had been a party of friends or guild mates. Or if they had been wiping their way through a tough instance for hours, finally resulting in victory and boss done. But the BRD boss is just a joke, so the whole thing boils down to a lotery activity. Not the best ground if you want to establish any sense of belonging to a team.<br /><br />I think I would have shared if it had been me. But on the other hand I wouldn't blame the guy for keeping it either. As you say - it's just vanity items. Not a big deal.Larísahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05769822260333419777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-4532970092939043672009-10-02T10:45:19.973+02:002009-10-02T10:45:19.973+02:00But the likely hood of both items dropping and bei...But the likely hood of both items dropping and being won by the same person are more than id like to calculate....so i dont think it would have even occured to set up loot rules before hand.<br /><br />And this isnt a game of football where you "give" away a point befause you are in the lead....this is a game where you are all part of the SAME team, just the point of "give away 1 point becayse you are in the lead by 3" doesnt even come into it.<br /><br />" and i NEVER have to do this stupid boss again" isnt that just abit selfish? What we are talking about is, after all, vanity items. Items that are shag all use. <br /><br />CacknoobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-6218534113989318492009-10-02T06:58:51.322+02:002009-10-02T06:58:51.322+02:00Why shouldn't I share?
I agreed that based on...Why shouldn't I share?<br /><br />I agreed that based on a random roll, we would determine who gets the item.<br /><br />I rolled high, I get the items I want. I NEVER have to do this stupid holiday fight for the rest of brewfest.<br /><br />Hmm, I think that might be a GOOD reason to keep both.<br /><br />Being a GOOD person, is in part about being fair. Fair is following the rules as set up. If they had agreed instead to roll if you need and pass if you've alreaedy won a rare, THEN that would be different.<br /><br />Asking him to pass over "just some pixels" is the unfair part of this. I know "it's just a game", but it's a game that we're playing, and if it's not fair to give the other side 1 point just because I make a 3-point shot, then why is it fair in this game to give him my "pixels" just because he was unlucky?Pangoria Fallstarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01148359926488188195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-74691412728274696172009-10-02T03:54:51.593+02:002009-10-02T03:54:51.593+02:00I see alot of "If i rolled and won both id ke...I see alot of "If i rolled and won both id keep them" replies...which is kinda sad. It is, after all, only pixels.<br /><br />Yes you might have been lucky...but wouldnt it make you a better person to say "its ok, ill only take 1 item"<br /><br />And to say "set up rules before you go" the microscopic chance all these things happening at once...it wouldnt even cross ppl minds.<br /><br />The question isnt why should i share...its Why shouldnt i share ?<br /><br />CacknoobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-87985353591435581322009-10-01T23:39:28.137+02:002009-10-01T23:39:28.137+02:00I think that since everyone agreed to roll on the ...I think that since everyone agreed to roll on the loot, as opposed to another method of loot distribution, they all agreed that the luck of the roll would determine who got what. I think it's unfair to change the rules after the fact just because it didn't turn out how people wanted or in a manner deemed fair.<br /><br />I would have just taken off and called it a night, with thanks to all as I activate my hearth!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00834322319006482953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-71938868210160024072009-10-01T20:23:54.912+02:002009-10-01T20:23:54.912+02:00@Amber. We are off topic but yes this is a sore po...@Amber. We are off topic but yes this is a sore point for me too. What I see happen a lot is that the enchanter makes all the shards but then at the end of the run two or three people just leave because all they cared about was the badges. So the enchanter then gives out one or two dream shards and keeps the rest for himself. I'm at the stage right now where I just greed everything in heroic 5-man PUGs. I'd rather have the shards but the truth is that the money from selling the loot is better than no money at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-80112210322693677632009-10-01T20:09:23.214+02:002009-10-01T20:09:23.214+02:00He won fair and square. I don't understand ho...He won fair and square. I don't understand how loot drama even exists (aside from people ninjaing which is a whole different can of worms), it kills me.<br /><br />However...<br /><br />Last night I ran into some looting "drama". Not really drama I guess, I just didn't like how something worked out.<br /><br />I don't understand how it's fair for an enchanter to come in and say, "I can DE everything"...need on everything, DE everything and then only allow the group to roll on the whatever shard that comes from the Epic item. What?? You're needing loot that granted, we probably aren't going to use, but could at least make a couple of gold off of just so that you can get some enchanting mats? And you think you're doing us some favor by letting us roll on the shard at the end?<br /><br />It pisses me off that enchanters get away with this time and time again.Ambernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-84397303088014556422009-10-01T20:03:04.939+02:002009-10-01T20:03:04.939+02:00You're sitting at a roulette table and you are...You're sitting at a roulette table and you are lucky enough to hit 2 big jackpots in a row. I'm sure most people would agree that you give the second jackpot to some poor schlub just to be fair.<br /><br />People sure do whine when they don't win, don't they?Bristalnoreply@blogger.com