tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post2812180570104156322..comments2023-08-12T17:27:01.102+02:00Comments on The Pink Pigtail Inn: Some thoughts about Champagne marketing and my irrational bidding for a trinketLarísahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05769822260333419777noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-73651924046844749942009-09-09T11:29:31.150+02:002009-09-09T11:29:31.150+02:00As a status item it's amazing. It puts a big p...As a status item it's amazing. It puts a big pillar of fire that says "I am a srs raider, better than u" every time it procs.<br /><br />It's worth pugging just to get the awed admiration from strangers who have no chance to get this.<br /><br />Let me remind you of one of Gevlon's posts:<br />http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2008/12/theory-of-leisure-class-3.html<br /><br />Basically you paid 151 dkp for a BiS trinket which is also a chauffeur-driven Ferrarri.<br /><br />Good deal!Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-6186929557675418582009-09-08T20:21:14.329+02:002009-09-08T20:21:14.329+02:00I did pass on all the special mounts but I did dro...I did pass on all the special mounts but I did drop a ton of gold on gear made with the new ToC patterns. I made both the robe and the bracers about 3 weeks ago.<br /><br />The gold I have is not a big deal to me. It was a status symbol to me. It was a server first to have both items. And it would shock people when they did the math on the cost of 12 orbs as 4.5K each.<br /><br />Did I over pay? Yes I did. Did I get my gold worth out it if? Yes, I did that too.Kevin Marquettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16389030891301082770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-69678803688497599422009-09-08T17:44:13.350+02:002009-09-08T17:44:13.350+02:00@Larisa@me: It sounds like there's a market fo...@Larisa@me: It sounds like there's a market for your own Swedish version of Starbucks. Go for it!<br /><br />I definitely agree though that we should spend money carefully. Subjective values should vary with circumstance, so when I was eight a dollar for a candy bar was a lot, but I spent it despite having little money. Now I have more money, but I need it for more important things, so that candy is no longer worth the dollar. I tend to avoid branding tricks, though I must admit that it is partially an almost equally irrational reaction against said tricks rather than truly being an immunity.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-2385383358946647032009-09-08T15:52:24.555+02:002009-09-08T15:52:24.555+02:00@Gnomeaggedon: well, you never know… maybe we’ll s...@Gnomeaggedon: well, you never know… maybe we’ll see a patchnote for 3.22: ”The Reign of Unliving now renders a viewable pillar as intended?” You can always hope!<br /><br />@Klepsacovic: Haha, yeah, it’s funny how well Starbucks has succeeded. They don’t even exist in Sweden, yet my daughter is crazy about them. When we was in Paris she was ready to walk a kilometre just to get to a Starbucks. Original French cafés were uninteresting to her. <br /><br />As long as we’re aware of the subjectivity in values we’ll be fine. We can choose to take part in the game when we have economy for it, but it’s also important that we’re smart enough to be able to make alternative, equally good choices when we’re short on money. That’s something I’d like to pass over to my children. There are times in your life when you’ll be wise to look through the tricks that the branding companies play to us.<br /><br />@B Dragon: Absolutely: it’s very much about the circumstances, how it’s dropped. I got the skull trinket from Illidan in TBC. I don’t think it would feel quite as epic if I went back and it dropped for me now.<br /><br />@Zekta Chan: Champagne is indeed an interesting phenomena as such. There’s SO many associations built even into the name “champagne”, any kind of cheap champagne, compared to “sparkling wine”, even though the “sparkling wine” very well may be a better product. The symbolism in it makes up for lack of taste and will give you the festive atmosphere you’re wishing for. Just because of the connotations of the word “champagne.” Odd, odd. And far from rational.<br /><br />@Gevlon: woot! A goblin approval of my dkp deal! Thanks!<br />Hm… I didn’t suck too badly at Anub, but wow, I sucked at Hodir hardmodes… But I won’t write another self hating post about that, not right now. I’ll try to deal with it instead…<br /><br />@Rohan: and a blessing from Rohan as well! Thanks!<br /><br />@Cacknoob: well, this trinket probably isn’t quite on par with that one when it comes to exclusivity to be honest. But it’s good enough to make me shine a bit. <br /><br />@Carra: Wow, that’s some trinkets! Call a tentacle! I love that kind of stuff. I still keep the offhand that summons a skeleton from Onyxia and the gnome-summoning trinket from ZA, just because they’re so charming. Sometimes I wish you could upgrade them somehow and make them competitive…<br /><br />@Cozmo D: no, I don’t feel remorseful about it at all. As I wrote I’m happy about it and I stick to my decision. I just wanted to ponder a bit upon the fact that we’re not only driven by logics, neither when we buy champagne, nor when we bid on trinkets.Larísahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05769822260333419777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-56552165853798435472009-09-08T15:25:55.675+02:002009-09-08T15:25:55.675+02:00I have to agree with Gelvon on this one. A really ...I have to agree with Gelvon on this one. A really good trinket is always a smart investment. The chance for upgrade in this particular area is small compared to others. While it does sound like you may have been suffering from a bit of buyers remorse, you made a sound decision. Now had you blown your DKP on a mount or another "useless" item, I am willing bet there would have been no post today!Lance Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11284954666505760302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-59653660740737850152009-09-08T14:35:53.451+02:002009-09-08T14:35:53.451+02:00I had a "no bidding any dkp" policy for ...I had a "no bidding any dkp" policy for a while. Only taking items noone else wanted. That actually worked very well. Especially the tokens. It's no use to bid more then minimum DKP on them, they'll just drop next run. And the one after and... Within a few months they were alt spec food.<br /><br />It all comes down to the rarity of an item and a lot of patience. Items that will drop once every two weeks are not worth bidding any DKP on. Items that drop once in a blue moon and are best in slot, go for it. I ended up saving pretty much all my DKP and just bought the super kelthuzad axe with them. Didn't see it drop again before the next dungeon rolled in. But I eventually got all the armor drops since everyone got their pieces quite fast.<br /><br />I still remember two cool trinkets from the days of AQ40. One with which you could throw a meteor and another which let you summon a tentacle. We only saw one of each drop and the same player got both of them. In retrospect, I would have loved to spend all my DKP on those vanity items. All the other gear has long since been replaced. But being able to call a tentacle? How many people can do that?Carrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11155709707982913637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-71694963047672168982009-09-08T13:14:28.687+02:002009-09-08T13:14:28.687+02:00I spent 700 DKP on the widows embrace in Naxx 40, ...I spent 700 DKP on the widows embrace in Naxx 40, was a server first and put me over +1000 to healing!!! So i can understand how you feel about yuo shiny new trinket !!<br /><br />CacknoobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-7916150071431334982009-09-08T12:15:43.967+02:002009-09-08T12:15:43.967+02:00I'm with Gevlon. DKP exists to be spent. The ...I'm with Gevlon. DKP exists to be spent. The best players I know bid aggressively and often.Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-56244816534818379072009-09-08T10:56:30.569+02:002009-09-08T10:56:30.569+02:00Actually, you did the right thing with the trinket...Actually, you did the right thing with the trinket.<br /><br />- The trinket is itself great<br />- The "DKP" has very little real value. If the guild disbands today DKP worth 0, trinket stays<br />- You did not WORK for the DKP. You got it while PLAYing.<br />- If you check out items, you'll see that there are many good items to every slot, except trinkets. So you'll get lot of upgrades for very low DKP in weeks<br /><br />So you made a good deal.<br /><br />I constantly burn my DKP, always bidding on everything that gives an upgrade. Hoarding DKP is pointless.<br /><br /><br />The Champagne on the other hand is itself useless, and the expensive one is not even "better" than the cheap ones. Pure ape-subroutine abuse.<br /><br /><br />Larísa, no matter how good you handle things, you always find a way to belittle yourself. I can't wait to see the "Anub'rekan down, because I suck" post.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-54452948150774416302009-09-08T06:31:02.603+02:002009-09-08T06:31:02.603+02:00About the Champagne thing...
This would spring in...About the Champagne thing...<br /><br />This would spring into a long post, but I rather just comment it short here...<br /><br />The Champagne is bulked with a lot of thing, especially if it's the "best champagne you can buy".<br />By offering it to others, said in a business meeting, it can show how sincerity on finishing the deal.<br /><br /><br />1. The Champagne itself (Include delivery etc)<br />2. The Cost of fight off all the attempts to challenge the crown of "The best Champagne". (Winner-take-all game again)<br />3. The Cost of persuade you that offer Champagne is linked with the sincerity (Which is not as trivial as it looks like), take an example on Cigar, and golf club which can also compete with the linkage.<br /><br /><br />Because directly giving money is not a acceptable convention (take corruption for instance). Buying the champion is an acceptable substitution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-28206895262078608012009-09-08T05:07:14.426+02:002009-09-08T05:07:14.426+02:00I don't think it's an irrational desire - ...I don't think it's an irrational desire - heck, even I have irrational cravings now and then. Think of it as an 'emotional' thing - something you do because of your inherent desire to be emotionally attached to something.<br /><br />Which is why Aenur worked hard for the Charger quest, and which is why Aerhandor hasn't had his Swift Flight From even though they can do it the easy way (buy from trainer). You can put EPIC all over a bottle of champagne, but you can never attach to it that feeling you get when you're out on the balcony under a moonlight sipping it from a crystal glass =)B_Dragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17502902559511874006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-55470141415027943612009-09-08T03:24:37.306+02:002009-09-08T03:24:37.306+02:00It's supply and demand, of the more complex so...It's supply and demand, of the more complex sort. Advertising tries to boost demand. But it also tries just as hard to reduce net supply. How so? By convincing you that there rest of the market doesn't exist, that it sells a different product which isn't the one you want.<br /><br />As long as they've understood the concept, companies have tried to produce monopolies. In the early part of the 20th century they would consolidate; then they moved on to patents to make it legally impossible for others to compete on the same product (they'd have to make a different and potentially inferior product); now they try to make you think the product is different. Starbucks is a good example, they sell decent coffee, but what makes them special is how they sell it, you can't buy that somewhere else. They have made their own monopoly, and best of all, it doesn't look like one, so they're safe from anti-trust laws, not that those do much anymore anyway.<br /><br />And please don't tell me you're surprised that Gevlon has only half an understanding of something. I suppose that's an unusually high amount.<br /><br />It's outright stupid to try to pretend that everything has an objective value and nothing else matters. Subjective values matter. Most value we place on items (beside food or gasoline) is subjective and not due to any intrinsic properties, so unless our dear goblin friend is advocating a 90% drop in all non-commodity prices and an even greater economic collapse than we have ever seen, he should be careful.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7084921087677216126.post-14266433193728113172009-09-08T03:11:55.035+02:002009-09-08T03:11:55.035+02:00Nothing wrong with sipping champagne from a crysta...Nothing wrong with sipping champagne from a crystal slipper every now and then...<br /><br />It sounds like an awesome trinket... I would have gone crazy for it as well... of course ;-)<br /><br />Shame about the animation... but for the price you paid, I dare say you can imagine the animation every now and then...<br /><br />Or raise a ticket just so you can get the confirmation we all love to see...<br /><br />"Working as intended"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com